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freezer (Guest)
freezer (Guest)
Introduce a friend option version 3.5.13
 
Has anyone figured this out yet ? I notice the coupons are somehow link but can't even find the basic set up in Admin
 
Regards
 
Dave
 
TOCDCO
TOCDCO
I don't understand this either...
 
Chris... have some input?
 
SajMalik
SajMalik
Dan
 
I know that I shared payment for this but I have scant details - not yet had sight of it; I have to upgrade to use it and, as it is still in beta, I also have to wait!
 
It should not have anything to do with coupons.
 
The idea is that every customer has an ID (it is the same as their Customer number) which gets sent to a friend; the friend buys; we can decide whether to reward the friend, the introducer or both, automatically.
 
Chris
 
freezer
freezer
Hi Chris,
 
Have you tried to test run it on the community expansion site. Where there is a beta version set up. You will notice in the coupon setting it mention friends etc. But I haven't a clue how it works personally.
 
Regards,
 
Dave
 
TOCDCO
TOCDCO
Yeah... I have no idea on how to successfully get this to work either. Sort of frustrating eh?
 
SajMalik
SajMalik
It is frustrating when you have paid good money for it and hear everyone else saying that they have problems with it!! I don't know
 
TOCDCO
TOCDCO
Actually, to me, it's not something that would generate a lot of income for my business and I don't find the need for it. I guess the stand that you're taking is not so good to take, because I'll bet a lot of the features that you utilize are mods made by someone else that you haven't contributed to. It's just how it works. We pay for the things that will help us and sometimes they end up working for someone else too.
 
I guess I do wish that ViArt would change their strategy on this. If it's something they're going to make available to everyone, they should not charge for the mod as it's something that should be being paid for with out Upgrade Charges that we have to renew every year.
 
As for other mods, they should be exactly that. Mods/add-ons. Their should be a link to it via your admin panel and you would remove the one you don't want. Then we wouldn't have to worry about so many errors all the time with our customizations getting over-written.
 
SajMalik
SajMalik
Dan
 
As you well know, I appreciate all the contributions made by fellow users.
 
But when you are a contributor for a particular feature, unable to use it because you have no facility to beta test, and hear that it appears inadequate .... it is VERY frustrating !!
 
Chris
 
freezer
freezer
My problem is basically what is it meant to do.
 
and not it is inadequate.... i haven't got that far I don't know
 
TOCDCO
TOCDCO
Yes.... Freezer hit it on the spot. I don't think anyone is criticizing it, but chris... I dont think it is what you wanted. Try going to the beta and checking it out... I really don't think this is what you had in mind... I could be wrong.
 
SajMalik
SajMalik
It appears to be doing something that I wanted but I don't know how I use this in customer newsletters and e-mail confirmations etc to customers. I guess that I will not know whether the outcome fulfills the brief until I get it into use.
 
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My initial communications - see
http://www.viart.com/introduce_a_friend-with_a_reward.html?page=1
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From Viart
Subject: RE: Support Request :: Custom Coding - Introduce a Friend
 
Hello Chris,
 
We think that all that logic for friends should be a part of affiliate program, to get commissions by affiliates for every purchase and generate some discounts for users who use those affiliate links.
 
1: If all normal customers can have an affiliate code automatically.
 
As you probably know now this field can be selected when a user registers but we can extend this functionality and generate it automatically using for example 'login' field and then user just need to use this auto-generated field to add it to the link of your site like http://www.example.com/?af=1234
 
2: If they can click an introduce a friend link on site and get this
code automatically attached to the e-mail.
 
There can be different ways the users can use this code.
- Put this code on some of their sites.
- Send this code with email to their friend.
- other possible ways to promote your site
 
 
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My response
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Hello Natalia
 
The main issue in all this is that the customer does not have to anything more than send an e-mail to a friend saying "Visit www.thiswebshop.com - you will get a discount on your first order - and I will also get one" or something similar.
 
Anything more involved and it will not work. We need to have a way that automatically gives every customer an affilliate/introduction code automatically. It has to be _very_very_ simple from the customer viewpoint.
 
"There can be different ways the users can use this code" - it will not work if the user has to do any of this. The ideal is that they just click on a link on site (eg Send a note to a friend to visit this shop. When they buy they will get XYZ and you will also get ABC). And the site sends the e-mail.
 
This is not affiliate linking - they don't have web sites for a code - they don't take the trouble to create their own e-mail and then fuss about inserting a code. They don't want to promote my site - just earn or win something for just clicking a link and introducing a friend to us.
 
Automatic and uncomplicated are the keys to making this work. Of course there may be several options but these should be for admin only to decide.
 
Is this becoming a problem?
Regards Chris
 
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From: support@viart.com [mailto:support@viart.com]
Sent: 19 March 2008 16:31
 
Hello Chris,
 
It is not a problem at all.
We just try to find the best possible way to implement this functionality.
 
In case you do not want to combine it with affiliate functionality we can use original user_id information in tell a friend link, for example. Then the information about friends user id can be saved in database to generate discounts for users who invite their friends.
To create some discount rules we will improve our coupons system so you will be able to create a new coupon like, for example, if customer's friends spend more than 1000 the customer gets 10% discount on further purchases.
 
Let us know if it is ok?
With regards,
Natalia
ViArt Support Team
 
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I have also added - for clarity:
 
- can we keep in mind that we may want to pass a benefit (discount, free product, or whatever)
to the introduced customer . . . as well as a reward for the customer making the introduction.
 
I see all rewards will depend upon the new customer making a purchase.
 
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Finally my brief, 31st May 2008, was:
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THE BRIEF TO VIART:
 
Three of us have now agreed to proceed with this and each of us will pay $150 this week end.
 
To confirm, the summary of the project is as follows - please not the concern of one partner in this added to the end - I am sure that you will already have realised the necessity of this but it is useful to confirm it.
 
Could you also, please, let me know how long this will take assuming you have all the payments by Monday morning?
 
......................
 
1. When any user of the site use 'Tell a Friend' function and send some invitation to his friend an additional parameter will be appended to the url with user login or id information like http://www.example.com/some_link.html?friend=friend_name
 
This 'additional parameter' can be used by admin in newsletters to those customers (eg admin can send a message to each customer with their individual codes)
 
BOTH customer and friend can get benefits** from the introduction.
** such as discounts, free product, free shipping
Apply discount if customer's friends bought some products:
- - this could include selection by product / category to limit rewards this way
 
 
2. We can create new settings for the Coupons Discount systems like:
 
- Option to apply discount for friends visits:
Apply discount if:
( ) for all friends visits (o) only for friends from the list of customers below:
[x] Chris
[x] Dan
...
[x] Dick
 
- Another option to apply discount for a customer who invites friends:
Apply discount if customer's friends bought some products:
Minimum Amount [ 100.00 ]
Maximum Amount [ 1000.00 ]
 
This would be used when you as administrator decide to limit some discount rules to apply only for certain users to have more flexibility.
 
For mass mailing, the unique code - the feature will us the customer ID so this can be marketed with the customer easily.
 
"Once a friend has registered, bought and received the reward, that friend cannot receive another reward - whether from that introducing customer or any other customer. This a once-only benefit for a new customer. This also means that, once registered etc ... a customer will not receive a reward if introduced by another different customer."
 
Anjula
Anjula
Hello,
 
Please, refer to this manual to get more information on setting an 'Introduce a friend' feature: http://www.viart.com/introduce_friend_shopping_cart.html
 
With kind regards,
ViArt Support Team
 
Epox (Guest)
Epox (Guest)
Regards!
 
Good to see, that You are working on the manual!!!
 
TOCDCO
TOCDCO
yeah... good to see but this one is still a little bit confusing
 
SajMalik
SajMalik
I would like to qualify:
 
A customer introduces friend1 and then friend2.
The settings are set to give the customer 10% discount for each friend who places an order.
 
The customer, presumably, gets two voucher codes for the discount?
 
Thus the customer can get 10% discount on each of the next two orders placed?
 
Chris
 
freezer (Guest)
freezer (Guest)
geeeezzz will make sure I have a clear head when I try and set this up !